Chris is joined in the studio by James Tanton, and the conversation immediately gets turned upside down. James takes over from the start and asks Chris about how it was that he knew he wanted to study math. After his, perhaps too long-winded of a story, Chris finally wrests control back and asks James the same question. Their answers, while different in detail, are very similar in content and trajectory. Listen for the common themes of tolerance of frustration, delayed gratification, and a sense of shortcomings of School Maths. James is his perpetually positive self here, possessing an infectious, and joyful attitude towards the subject. Enjoy!